Brothers in Arms, a Family History story
Having recently posted an old photo of my mother, Lavender Ramus, in Ransoms record shop, 33/34 Bond Street, Brighton, in 1957, to the ‘Brighton Past’ group on Facebook, I received a comment from one member, saying what a lovely name she had, but also that her husband had relatives by the name of Ramus. This lady wondered, as Ramus is such an unusual surname, whether we may have a connection, she then mentioned her husband’s uncle, William Ramus, who is apparently in his 80’s, and his sister, Deirdre Ramus. This was enough information for me to get going, and while I already suspected our lines would not coincide, I knew of this particular family line from my earlier research, and enjoy a challenge.
The family line of William and Deirdre was soon unearthed in an hour or so, I had done much of the work a few years back, purely because so many of this family have names and dates similar to my own family lineage, and I wanted to be certain which name belonged where. Having happily given this lady the family line dating back to 1725, and a Louis Ramus, born in Cudrifin, Vaud, Switzerland on the 1st May, I then began fleshing out the family info. Without going in to too much family detail, I’ll list the direct descendants here:-
Louis, (William’s Great Great Great Great Grandfather)married Ann Hibberd (1740-1782), and they had 4 children:
Joseph Ramus: Born 1766 Bungay, Suffolk
Ann Ramus: 1769 Bungay, Suffolk
James Ramus: 1771 Bungay, Suffolk (William’s Great Great Great Grandfather)
Joseph Ramus: 1772 Bungay, Suffolk
After Ann’s death, Louis married Sarah Ann Cobbet (1730-) on the 21st Oct 1783. According to 1774, and 1780, UK Poll Books records, Louis was a ‘Cheesemonger’, in Charing Cross, London.
James Ramus (1771-1837) married Elizabeth Elmore (1869-1839), among their children, they had a son:
Charles: born 05-02-1800, Bungay, Suffolk
Charles married Sarah Rebecca Rudland (1802-1881), on the 6th August 1822, at Walpole, Suffolk. (Charles is William’s Great Great Grandfather). They had four children that I have traced:-
Charles Henry Ramus: Born 28th July 1823 Bungay, Suffolk (William’s Great Grandfather)
Rudland Ramus: Born 16th March 1830, Bungay, Suffolk
Alfred Ramus: Born 8th Jan 1832, Bungay, Suffolk
Ann Ramus: Born 22nd July 1836, Bungay, Suffolk
- James Ramus death, 21st June 1837
Charles Henry Ramus married Maria Hall (1825-1903) on the 19th July 1846, at the parish church of Lambeth. (On the marriage record, both Charles Henry, and his father, Charles, are listed as, ‘Carpenter’s’, for their occupation). They had 9 children, one of which was:-
- Charles Henry Ramus marriage to Maria Hall 19th July 1846
James Ramus: Born 22nd April 1864, City of London. On the 1st August 1886, James married Jane Hall (1866-1915), at the parish church of Christchurch, Southwark, London. James’ occupation on the wedding certificate was listed as ‘Tea Cutter’. (James is William’s Grandfather). He and Jane had 12 children, of which 9 had survived to the 1911 census report, which found them living at 62 Windsor road, Holloway. James’ occupation here was noted as ‘Printer’ in the newspaper industry.
- James Ramus marriage to Jane Hall. 1st August 1886
Their children living with them at this time, were:-
James Ramus: Born 7th April 1888, Islington. Occupation- ‘Sorter’ Post Office
Charles Ramus: Born 1891, Islington. Occupation- ‘Musician’ Board Ship
Sidney Harold Ramus: Born 3rd April 1893, Walton. Occupation- ‘Barman’ Public House
Mable Ramus: Born 16th Feb 1895, Holborn, London. Occupation- ‘Dressmaker’
John Ramus: Born 25th Sept 1896, Holborn, London. Occupation- ‘Messenger’ Post Office. (John is William’s father).
Lydia ramus: Born 1899, Holborn, London. School
Winnie Ramus: Born 1901, Shoreditch, London. School
Frank Ramus: Born 1902, Islington, London. School
Bessie Ramus: Born 1906, London. At home
Walter Ramus: Born 1907, London. At home
Doris Ramus: Born 1909, London. At home
- James Ramus 1911 census report.
When the 1914-18 war began, James, Charles, Sidney, and John, all joined up.
James joined the 8th City of London Battalion, Post Office Rifles. Regiment Number-2401
Charles joined the 10th Battalion, Kings Liverpool Regiment. Regiment Number-4559
Sydney also joined 10th Battalion, Kings Liverpool Regiment. Regiment Number- 4560
John joined the Royal Field Artillery as a Gunner. Regiment Number- 45717
On the 25th May, 1915, James was killed in action at Flanders, and buried at Flers, Department De La Somme, Picaride, France.
- James Ramus WW1 Effects, 1915
On the 19th November, 1915, Sydney was killed in action at Camiers, buried at Etaples Military Cemetery, Calais, France.
- Sidney Ramus WW1 Effects 1915
On the 21st September 1916, Charles was killed in action in Flanders, buried at Flers, Departement De La Somme, Picardie, France.
- Charles Ramus WW1 Effects, 1916
During this dreadful time for the family, their mother, Jane, also died, within a month of her eldest son, James, death. She was buried on the 22nd June, 1915, at St Pancras, Camden, London, Roman Catholic cemetery.
John Ramus survived the war, and was registered on the WW1 Service Medal and Awards Rolls, 1914-1920 as ‘Entitled to the Victory Medal and/or British War Medal granted under Army Orders’
- John Ramus WW1 war record and medals roll
In 1929, John married Alice Dorothy Lowndes(1902-2001), at Islington, London
Right mate, here's your tree in a direct line back from your dads dad. I'll leave it on this page for you for a couple of weeks, but if you'd prefer me to take it down straight away, DM me on Twitter, and apologies. Or you may already have all this info, in which case, once again, apologies! There's much more info available if you're interested, such as census reports etc, I just happen to have it all as I investigated this line in the early days of finding out about my own family tree.
Jack W Ramus, born 1924 Croydon
married-Enid D E Nicholls in 1947
William John Ramus, born 1895 Hackney
married- Elizabeth M Bird in 1926
Alfred J Ramus,(wood carver and furniture maker), born 13-05-1869 Hoxton
married-Mary Elizabeth Balding(born1870)
Alfred Ramus,(carpenter), born 1832 Bungay, Suffolk
married- Susan Elizabeth Longstaff(born1832)on 14-10-1855
Charles Ramus (carpenter), born 1795 Halesworth, Suffolk
married- Sarah Rebecca Rudland(born1802) on 06-12-1822